Gibbs has not been kind to Black Conservatives, but they have not been kind to the Black community. As a matter of fact, they have been quite hostile to the Black community. They have bashed it at every chance they have had.

It is obvious that many of these "political conservatives" read Gibbs with keen interest. That good. We think that they could learn a great deal about our community and certainly a great about logical argumentation from us. The question is do they care about such things.

Last week, I had an opportunity to get into an e-mail debate with one of them. They had read our magazine and written to me to read their site. I went to it and read it. I was, of course, unimpressed. I had heard their trite arguments before. They are so poorly reasoned, I wonder what they hope to accomplish, other than collect royalties from their mentors.

It became clear to me as I attempted to discuss ideas rationally that they really have very few ideas on any subject of Black significance, and no positive ideas for the Black community. As I put to them ideas, they gave me stump speeches that seemed antiquated, hopelessly uninspired, and unconvincing. I felt a bit sorry for the person on the other end of the e-mail debate. I wondered were he really Black. Whether he was or not, his arguments were simply weak. But they were in line with the weakness I have seen in most Black Conservatives.

Since Gibbs has said that it would make available any rational disagreement, and since we presented Solomon, God on Earth, I will present this brief debate, but I will not allow the name of the person to be shown. And since Gibbs is a magazine of news and ideas there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. Furthermore we were not asked for privacy. But I will respect the privacy of his e-mail name and address. []

Is the "Black Perspective" a secular humanistic, socialistic perspective/ Do black Democrats also march to the beat of the same drummer (i.e. white Southern Democrats) who had us going to the back of the bus and working on their plantations? Now they got blacks on another plantation...one that's more insidious and cunning... a socialistic, secular humanistic, depending on big white man government plantation. Think about it.

I thought about your comment for a minute only. With most Black Conservatives, and white conservatives, there isn't much thought needed to decipher and see through what they are saying. Here is my response:

Secular humanistic, socialistic are cold-war terms that come straight out of the would-be moral majority's and Republican's play book. They have no meanings that are reasonably deduced other than they are Republican code terms picked up by Black Conservatives to signal to whites two things: you possess some degree of intellect, albeit not towering, and that you will sing their songs. Your terms are much like Willie Horton and compassionate conservative--code terms. Even Lee Atwater (of senior Bush's campaign and administration) acknowledged before he died, Willie Horton was code for racism. Poor Black Conservatives, they are still trying to attain to his level of enlightenment-read Gibbs more that will help!

Apparently, you have overlooked this fact, so allow me to cite it: segregation was the law of the South. To imply that Blacks were marching to that drumbeat as a matter of political correctness, comports with your flawed view of America's realities concerning Black Americans and their political stance. Black Conservatives are conservatives because there is money in Blacks bashing Blacks, which is their specialty. Take a look at your web site that you called my attention to. How is it different from David Duke's? Both are poorly reasoned; both are totally anti Black unless some favored [financially favored] Black says positive things about another of the favored Blacks.

Since you raised the plantation issue, which was a poor choice of analogies on your part, during those times you subtlety laud, there were parallel barkers as our modern day Black Conservatives--nigger spotters. They would do anything for money and for white acceptance and approval. During any oppression, there are always these nigger spotters. During Nazi Germany, these nigger spotters were Jew spotters. They too would bark German songs for the sake of their lives and a hand full of dollars.

We know this reality exists among us; that is the reason we entertain and are not threatened by our Black Conservatives--the brothers and the few sisters aren't trying to persuade Black people; they know that we have seen Black Conservatives in many disguises over the years and have come to appreciate that they are just trying to make a buck or two. Hence, they are only politically conservative.

Black people have always been morally conservative, and white conservatives have always been morally non-conservative. Whites have tried to dress up their conservatism and extinguish its repugnant odor by using such terms are Moral majority, Compassionate Conservative, etc. These deliberate disguises are only the bread of fools. Intelligent Blacks, except a few, know what whites are up to. It is strange that after all these years, there is a small devoted number of Blacks who would still sing white songs as if they were singing in Black harmony. And most astounding is that they hope that some Blacks would not know the difference.

Or is it so that they really know that we know the difference and will understand that they are just making money and we will forgive them? Well, we will, but as our poor brother John McWhorters saw, we will carefully deride their notions as we forgive.

Black Conservatism is somewhat like Nixon's secret plan to get the nation out of Vietnam--it's just white politics. If it isn't, why is the reasoning of Black Conservatives so awful on most subjects when they argue the white conservative cause?

It would be nice if Black Conservatives were mature enough in thought to stop bellowing out white nothings and speak for themselves on all issues. Instead, they languish in a sea of motionlessness as unused calories wrapped around the overfed waiting to be used. But because of their seldom use, they remain portly and their energy appears to all as excess calories we call fat.

Question: Why do white media not call you for comments when there is an issue of national import that is not about race?

Answer: Black Conservatives are usually race commentators only; the media know that you are going to say insignificant nothings on non-racial matters because there has been no financial regimentation on the proper response to anything but race.

Lest you think I missed some of your weighty points, whites are quite heavily on this governmental plantation-they outnumber all others. Furthermore, whites have a form of affirmative action that has been around for years and IS STILL around in grand old America: racism is white affirmative action. It is alive and well in ALL sectors of our society. Maybe your reasoning has not reached the lofty plain to see that racism that favors whites is an unfair advantage for them. If it were recognized and you were morally, not just white politically, conservative, why not address that problem?

We Blacks are a forgiving lot, and we understand that addressing PRESENT DAY white racism is not a financially profitable venture for you. A brother gotta make a dime. But aren't there more honorable ways to do it?

Somehow, I feel, I am responding to David Duke and not a real Black person or an enlightened white person. But I am responding to your note. Gibbs

I don't make a dime as a "black conservative" but Jesse Jackson et. al. make millions supporting abortion of black babies, normalization of homosexuality and other tenets of secular humanism spoke against in the Bible. Jackson and his blacks "Liberals" are helping to take rights from all Americans by supporting the white man's socialistic government. If you think white Democrats love blacks you got another thing coming. They are smiling in your face and using blacks to empower government not Black People. It's sad that many of us can't see this. Go to the Congressional Quarterly and occasionally check how Democrats and especially the Democratic Black Caucus vote on the issues. I vote my ideology not that of Jesse Jackson's. I guess he's a "moral conservative". God bless you my Brother!

My Brother: Apparently you have not read what I have said. It seems as if you are reading from a stump speech of some candidate--your words are just diversionary to not address the points I raised. But this is what I have found in Black Conservatives. Whereas you may not make a dime, your comrades in arms against Blacks--Stanley Crouch, Wardell Connerly, etc.--have made more than a dime. It is a shame that you have not gotten in on their gold rush. That is what this ardent Black Conservatism is about; aren't you clued in to that? Certainly, their logic, as is with your logic as well, is so terribly weak, it must be written for whites; for it could never win over thinking Black people.

Concerning Jessie Jackson, I make no apologies for him--he has to answer for himself; and he is quite capable of doing so. Furthermore, he provides no weakness in my points, nor does he strengthen your points. But if you have read us carefully, you would have seen that we are quite hard on Jessie Jackson. But with that said, Jessie Jackson speaks beyond race issues and he has never attempted to bash Blacks as Black Conservatives have found their sole niche in doing.

Concerning abortion that is a matter that every individual has to deal with. Whites have used their abortion rights far more than Blacks. It is not a major issue in the Black community. White Affirmative Action is an issue. Some call it racism. Black Conservatives don't even see it. But how strange of them to pounce so heavily [especially Stanley Crouch] on Affirmative Action for ethnic Americans and TOTALLY OVERLOOK it, as if it does not exist for White Americans. This is what Black Americans are talking about! White Affirmative Action!!! Let's stop it and I will young the political Black Conservatives tomorrow.

.Homosexuality is more of a White issue than it is a Black issue. And what is these code terms you are using that make no current sense at all: secular humanism, Liberals? These are old psuedo-intellectual terms. They didn't make sense and could not stand the weight of clear discussion when I was at Berkeley and they are too antiqued to even use or address now. They just age you brother; they don't add to the intellectual discourse I am trying to have with you.

I think I know the Bible fairly well, and I do know that the term Secular Humanism is not therein. Since I have never been able to get any of these would-be White or Black intellectuals to define the term with any clarity, I have no idea what it means, so I don't know if the concept is in the Bible or not or if the Bible speaks against it. I understand, and on this one point of homosexuality being spoken against in the Bible, [Lev. 18; Rom. 1] I can agree with you. Hurray!!

But I and you know that White Affirmative Action is a sacred cow that you and the Thomas Sowell's will never touch--you have not be programmed to respond on that issue. Your crowd allow this egregious wrong to go under your radar as if it is undetectable by Blacks and then you turn and try very faintly to tell intelligent Blacks that you are for Blacks with the rhetoric you and your crowd propagate? What other lies you tell?

Finally, you talk about the Democrats laughing behind our backs. That may be the case because all Democrats are White of course. That Black Congressional Caucus is a Republican group. While many Democrats laugh behind our Backs, Republican carry on no such charade; they laugh in Black faces. Then they pay a group of weak reasoning, but well paid Black Conservatives to spew forth half-baked ideas for white consumption, knowing that Blacks have tuned these intellectual weaklings out.

In sum, Black Conservatism is not a political and certainly not a moral movement. It is a White feel-good movement. Black Conservatives are just hired consultants paid and used to cloak white preferences that are advanced by them and those whites who are not fair minded.

Good bye, my brother, keep reading Gibbs. This has been an interesting exchange. Seldom do I use valuable time engaging in these types of discussions.